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“My friends and I talk about this all the time,” says Radu.

For the record, she says, “I don’t think Vancouver men suck.

Guys have a hard time, too Ron Lee, 36, a marketer who ran a dating coaching service for many years in Vancouver, agrees that it’s tough to make a connection in this city.

“Vancouver is the hardest city to date in in North America. In Edmonton, Toronto, Calgary there is a much higher chance that people will come out just to meet you for a coffee, just for the social aspect.

The conversation about the impossibility of finding man-love in Lotus Land ricochets between raucous laughter and thoughtful reflection until the table goes silent and the subject finally sinks, like a stone thrown in an impossibly dark wishing well.“This is not a lighthearted issue,” says Jodi Derkson.

“There is a serious problem here.”PHOTOS: MORE SINGLES LOOKING FOR LOVEThis is Vancouver, the women explain, in conversational shorthand that speaks volumes about the city’s widely-perceived shortcomings for straight daters.

For a lark one night, she posted a personal ad on Craigslist. Once they saw it, their pictures started coming in. Even before the article ran, women were, well, bitching.At 47, Derkson has no kids, and has never been married — nor is she desperate to get hitched. People are cold.” While living in Florida a few years ago, she was turning men away.“I think the Latin culture in Florida really helps; people are warm, men smile at you on the street. Men here, they don’t even turn their head to look at you.”Back in Vancouver, she just wishes that when she smiles at someone on the street, they would smile back.She’d be happy with just a little more warmth and sensuality. Rachel Fox, a 34-year-old writer, says her experiences of meeting men in other cities, like New York, where she used to live, are incredibly different than in Vancouver: “The pool is a lot bigger there.Although she works at the Bottleneck and comes in contact with a great number of men, she finds most her age are married.With a history of committed monogamous relationships, she finds Vancouver’s dating culture challenging compared to other cities, like New York, where she has had more success.